I am glad to see that more people are reading Medved, he is truly great!
Regarding the article you linked, I think he makes a smart observation. It is very easy for conservatives to focus on social issues (because the liberal position on those is many times repulsive) but if the goal is to win an election (specially this one) we should focus on the economy.
That is why Romney is doing so well. He is the only one on the field (previously Cane tried to do this but he had other issues) who is trying to focus on the economy and leave social issues on the back burner.
Summing your opinion up: money is all that matters. Obama can take our dignity, our freedoms, our safety, our children, our flag and our God, but there is no way he can get another 5% of our GDP. Perish the thought! Churchill said about appeasement:”You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war”. We are being given the choice between God (How could a non-Christian be president of a Nation under God?) and prosperity. We are forsaking God and will end up without prosperity as well.
” So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.”- Matthew 6:31-33 Only Rick Perry understands that!
But the Presbyterian Eisenhower, the Quaker Nixon, the Episcopalians Ford and Bush senior, and the Presbyterian Reagan – that is, 5 of the 6 lasts Christians republicans Presidents appointed bad justices for United States Supreme Court. Eisenhower appointed William J. Brennan, Jr. and Earl Warren. Nixon appointed Harry Blackmun (the author of Roe v. Wade) and Warren E. Burger. Reagan appointed Anthony Kennedy and Sandra Day O’Connor. George H. W. Bush appointed David Souter.
And Harriet Miers was nominated by Methodist President George W. Bush to replace Sandra Day O’Connor. Thank God Harriet Miers withdrew her nomination!
I don’t think the Mormon Romney can be worse than the last six Republican presidents Christians.
Do not be silly. Those were not all their appointments (Eisenhower alone appointed 5 men for the Court), there were many good appointments, some of wich were rejected by the Senate. If were not for those brave Christian presidents, we would have got a through and through liberal court instead of the divided ones we have had all these years.
Even if all Republican appointments had been mistakes, what would your point be? Christians make mistakes, America must throw herself at the mercy of non-Christians? Who are they to rule us? A non-Christian president, elected as such, would be free from the very constraints that have restrained even the (nominally Christian) Democrats. If Romney gets ellected, the next will not even bother pretending to be a Christian man. America’s moral fabric will have been destroyed beyond repair. Voting for Romney is voting for abortion and homossexuality. Instead of voting for a non-Christian, why not voting for a really commited Christian man? Rick Perry is that man! He has challenged liberals where it really matters, and, if he gets elected, God will be welcomed back to schools and Army homossexuals will be out of job. Liberals know that and hate him. Flip-flop Romney, from Taxachusetts, and Ron Paul are their candidates in the Republican primaries.
Romney is morally unsuited for the highest job of our land. He is a liar, there is no planet Kolob, there is only one god. By the way, how many souls do you think “missionary” Romney damned for all eternity?
“Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD.” Psalms 33:12
Silly silly Daniel. Mormons have done a lot more against abortion than any other Christian denomination (yes, Mormons are Christians – they believe in Jesus just like you).
If you really want to live in the past and support Perry (who will drop out very soon) it is your choice. But wake up and smell the mormons. Romney is our candidate and unless you are willing to have another 4 years of Obama you better stop with the nonsense and prejudice.
Or maybe you actually want Obama! After all, he is a Christian! How well is that working for you by the way?
Mr (Mrs) Daia,
From what I could make of your post (with a help of Google Translate), I think you are making a false analogy. Freemasonry is not a religion, it is a harmful (like the Democratic Party) political/philosophical association. Its members are drawn from all wakes of life and religions- it is not different from Christians and Jews serving the military together, but having their own separated religious services. A Mason doesn’t have to subscribe any specific theology. Masons are excluded from some churchs (the Catholic Church, for instance) because their philosophical ideas are antithetical to Christianity (Masons created Illuminism and Liberalism). A Freemason-notwithstanding his/her deeply mistaken liberal views- can hold that Christ is the only God, a Mormon can’t do so because Joseph Smith taught otherwise. A Mason is a bad Christian, but a Christian he is. A Mormon is a heathen.
By the way, ALL Mason presidents were members of Christian churchs as any literate person could have told you. How many Mormons are members of Christian churchs? Your anology is false!
The founding fathers were disciples of philosophers as Montesquieu, Diderot and d’Alembert, Voltaire, Rousseau… freemason philosophers, and anti-Christian philosophers. Yes, the founding fathers were apparently members of Christian churches, but if you have as a master Montesquieu, or Voltaire, or Rousseau, so you just aren’t a Christian. Robespierre was a freemason too, and Robespierre established the anti-Christian “Cult of the Supreme Being”. Robespierre and the founding fathers read the same philosophers, and the Founding Fathers were as freemason as Robespierre.
Wrong! The Founding Fathers were disciples of the “Scottish” Enlightenment thinkers, Adam Smith being one of the household names (if you think it is the same thing, you should be able to explain why neither the Thirteen Colonies nor England have fallen prey to the bloody anarchy, France-style). Read this text by Christian Conservative Gary North http://www.garynorth.com/public/2282.cfm. Most of the revolutionary leaders were opposed to the French Phillosophers from the beginning, Adams-just to toss an example- was strongly conservative and anti-France, to the point of being called a Monarchist by Jefferson & Co. The Founding Fathers were supported in their revolutionary struggle by thinkers like Burke, the founder of modern Conservatism. By the way, the most important leader of the sympathizers of the French Revolution was Jefferson, who was neither a Freemason nor a Christian, he denied that Christ is God-as Mormons do nowadays. Is it a coincidence? Romney would have you thinking so.
“and the Founding Fathers were as freemason as Robespierre.”
“Active masonry became theoretical masonry. But the old moral ways of living, which men were trying to keep just for the sake of keeping them, acquired a new meaning. In certain branches of freemasonry, elements of an obvious reactionary feudalism were prominent, as in the Scottish system. In the eighteenth century, freemasonry became expressive of a militant policy of enlightenment, as in the case of the Illuminati, who were the forerunners of revolution; on its left, it culminated in the Carbonari. Freemasons counted among their members both Louis XVI and the Dr. Guillotin who invented the guillotine. In southern Germany, freemasonry assumed an openly revolutionary character, whereas at the court of Catherine the Great it was a masquerade reflecting the aristocratic and bureaucratic hierarchy. A freemason Novikov was exiled to Siberia by a freemason empress.”-Lev Davidovich Trotsky, My Life
You can verify (dealing with Communist writings, you should), you can read reference works, this is just the shortest exposition I have found. Now, you will say Catherine the Great was as liberal as Robespierre… “Go ahead, make my day”.
Last but not not least, you would have to explain how the most Christian nation on Earth (a nation under God) could have survived under a Constitution crafted by non-Christians. http://www.thefreepressonline.co.uk/news/1/2273.htm
Yes, most Founding Fathers were Christians in name and many founding fathers actually practiced Christianity. How they could follow Christ and Montesquieu is a mystery for me. But if most Founding Fathers followed Christ, all the writers of American Constitution followed non-Christian Montesquieu.
Yes, the Founding Fathers were as freemason as Robespierre. The Founding Fathers were as humane as Robespierre. I didn’t say the Founding Fathers agreed with Robespierre on everything. My point is you said the freemasons are Christians but Robespierre was a freemason and he was, out of any doubt, a deist anti-Christian. Yes, a Christian can be a freemason but a Deist anti-Christian too. And the philosophers that had influenced Robespierre also had influenced at least some of the Founding Fathers. A freemason believes in God but not necessarily in the Son of God. The freemason Thomas Paine professed his faith in `One god—and no more.’
To finish for now: the constitutionalists invoked the protection of God. But no the protection of the Son’s God.
Montesquieu wisely praised England’s laws, the best ones the World had known before our Constitution. “Ce n’est point à moi à examiner si les Anglois jouissent actuellement de cette liberté ou non. Il me suffit de dire qu’elle est établie par leurs loix, & je n’en cherche pas davantage.” That is all our fathers took from France. As I said, Scottish Enlightenment (or Anglo- American, if you will) was different from French Enlightenment. We have never followed the French Philosophers, that is why neither America nor England has ever experienced France’s tribulations. By the way, you should recall that the champions of the Constitution cause were the Federalists, heroic adversaries of French influence. America never took any risk.
“To finish for now: the constitutionalists invoked the protection of God. But no the protection of the Son’s God.”
“Son of God” could mean any son of a deity, from Hercules, son of Zeus, to Horus, son of Osiris Which God do you think they invoked? Allah? Amaterasu? Quetzalcoatl ? No, they invoked the Christian God, that is, Jesus. It is exactly what I was telling you, Jesus is God, the only God (the only American presidents who denied it were Adams and Jefferson, neither of whom was a Mason), but Mormons say He is a mere angel (and Lucifer’s brother!) http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0061/0061_01.asp. It is not a coincidence Christian Churchs referring to Mary as “God’s Mother” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theotokos.
In fact, you (and your Mormon friends) are just parroting the old Arianist heresy. God killed Arius for denying Christ’s divinity.
“The doctrine of Christ’s divinity is the central Christian doctrine, for it is like a skeleton key that opens all the others.” http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics/christ-divinity.htm
“My point is you said the freemasons are Christians but Robespierre was a freemason and he was, out of any doubt, a deist anti-Christian.”
I said and I quote: “A Mason doesn’t have to subscribe any specific theology. (…) A Freemason-notwithstanding his/her deeply mistaken liberal views- CAN hold that Christ is the only God, a Mormon can’t do so because Joseph Smith taught otherwise.” A Mason CAN be a Chrisitan (even if a bad one), a Mormon can’t. Evidently, not every Mason is a Christian, but no Mormon (or Mohammedan or Hindu) is a Christian. Robespierre openly rejected Jesus and repressed the Church. None of those American presidents you lied about ever did so. Now, which candidate openly rejects Christ as his/her Lord? You know the answer.
Please, accept Jesus as your only Lord and acknowledge He has shed His precious blood to save you.
Let’s occupy the White House! Rick Santorum will lead the charge. That is the righteous’ answer to all “conservative” Judas. We are not satisfied with the GOP, we are not satisfied with those “conservatives”, who took our votes and gave America empty promises “No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
“As ye deal with my contemners, so with you my grace shall deal;
Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel,
Since God is marching on.”
“In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea,
With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me:
As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free”